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Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« on: March 20, 2009, 08:22:51 PM »
I'd like to run some 16", '99 4runner factory alloy wheels on my '93 4x4. I think they have 4" or more of backspacing, so I'd want to run wheel spacers. Are these things safe for a mostly street driven vehicle? -- Matt
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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2009, 08:37:24 PM »
I wheel mine and drive it daily 120 miles with 2 inch spacers in front, never had a problem. just check the torque on them every now and then. 

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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2009, 12:23:14 PM »
i have 1 1/2 and i log 6000 highway miles a year  with no problems at all
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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2009, 10:01:52 PM »
The general consensus is that 1-1 1/2 inches is fine - more than that can be tricky. 

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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2009, 10:28:56 PM »
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but I have ran 2s in the past and never had a problem,
I think you will be safe

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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2009, 01:33:44 AM »
I have ran spidertrax 1.5's on all 4 corners when my truck was IFS and in the past 3 years have put over 30k miles on them and never had a problem. With the spidertrax kit they give you red locktite for the spacer to the hub. It might be a good idea.
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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2009, 08:33:33 AM »
x2 on red Locktite.  Torque to spec, recheck torque 5-100 miles.

I wouldn't hesitate to run 3" spacers.  I'm more concerned about the additional wear on the bearings than a wheel falling off.


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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2009, 08:40:17 AM »
I second All_Set on that. Bearing wear and scrub radius are as much of a concern as properly torqed wheel spacers.
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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2009, 08:43:45 AM »
remember theres 2 kinds of red lock tight     high strength  & perminet which need :flamer: to get off
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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2009, 09:45:26 AM »
The only problem I've seen is when people forgot to check/retorque the lug nuts holding the spacer to the axle.

Of course we all -- or we SHOULD -- check the torque of the nuts holding our tires on. I do this about once every month or so.

But, and let me ask a wheel spacer owner, when was the last time you checked the torque of the nuts holding the spacer on?

I'm willing to bet that 99% of us put the spacer on, torque it down, slap the tire on, and forget allll about that spacer.

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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2009, 01:43:20 PM »
I find most problems stem from people not knowing what they are doing.  :P

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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2009, 02:43:21 PM »

But, and let me ask a wheel spacer owner, when was the last time you checked the torque of the nuts holding the spacer on?


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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2009, 02:44:49 PM »
My buddys runner has 3inch spacers on all 4 corners and 38.5 boggers(pavement girl thingy) and he drives it on the highway all the time for work. The guy has a hard time changing oil....I think your ok if his wheels havent come off yet.
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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2009, 10:43:00 AM »
SAFE as in drivable?.Or SAFE as in streetlegal?...........I believe wheel spacers aren't DOT-approved...Or maybe up to a certain  thickness....

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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2009, 11:04:22 AM »
SAFE as in drivable?.Or SAFE as in streetlegal?...........I believe wheel spacers aren't DOT-approved...Or maybe up to a certain  thickness....

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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2009, 11:42:33 AM »
The only problem I've seen is when people forgot to check/retorque the lug nuts holding the spacer to the axle.

Of course we all -- or we SHOULD -- check the torque of the nuts holding our tires on. I do this about once every month or so.

But, and let me ask a wheel spacer owner, when was the last time you checked the torque of the nuts holding the spacer on?

I'm willing to bet that 99% of us put the spacer on, torque it down, slap the tire on, and forget allll about that spacer.

its a PITA but this is the key to spacers

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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2009, 04:01:21 PM »
i didnt check the nuts holding my 1.5" spacers on for a long time, and all the nuts had come a little loose the rotor was able to move back and forth a bit. i check them all the time now!  soon i will be adding IFS hubs on my axle with the wheel spacers also to widen my track ANOTHER 3 inches
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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2009, 05:06:08 PM »
its a PITA but this is the key to spacers

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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2009, 11:16:20 PM »
  soon i will be adding IFS hubs on my axle with the wheel spacers also to widen my track ANOTHER 3 inches
  thread jack:     does this add 3"?      i measured a sa hub and rotor vs. an ifs hub and rotor and i could only get 2 1/2 total. wheres the other 1/2" come from?
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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2009, 11:19:56 PM »
when i say hub i mean the part that the wheel bolts to and that holds the wheel bearings, just to be clear. im not talking about locking hubs.

the IFS hubs wheel mounting surface is 1.5" further out than a solid axle hub. you can adapt the IFS hub onto a solid axle with a couple little mods. then i would use my 1.5" wheel spacers along with the IFS hubs. right now i just have the spacers.  theres a bunch of write ups on this, you have to search. 

IFS vented rotors are different from solid axle rotors so thats why it measured the same. you have to look at JUST the hub
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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2009, 11:33:38 PM »
when i say hub i mean the part that the wheel bolts to and that holds the wheel bearings, just to be clear. im not talking about locking hubs.

the IFS hubs wheel mounting surface is 1.5" further out than a solid axle hub. you can adapt the IFS hub onto a solid axle with a couple little mods. then i would use my 1.5" wheel spacers along with the IFS hubs. right now i just have the spacers.  theres a bunch of write ups on this, you have to search. 

IFS vented rotors are different from solid axle rotors so thats why it measured the same. you have to look at JUST the hub

thats what i saying, i measured and i got +1 1/4" each side= +2 1/2" total
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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2009, 01:30:43 PM »
SAFE as in drivable?.Or SAFE as in streetlegal?...........I believe wheel spacers aren't DOT-approved...Or maybe up to a certain  thickness....

modifying a vehicle is illegal PERRIOD so your point is moot.
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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2009, 02:42:49 PM »
man i could go to prison for life for all my modifications......
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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2009, 02:52:56 PM »


here is one of my IFS hubs.
if you look at the wheel mounting surface in relation to the locking hub mounting surface, its really close. if i measure that and compare the measurement to the Solid Axle hub on my truck, the IFS one's wheel mounting surface is 1.5" further out.  toyota did this because IFS trucks track width is 3" wider than solid axle trucks. the problem with adapting this hub onto a solid axle is you have to mount the brake caliper on the other side of the ears on the knuckle. some people find this controversial, but i think it would be ok.

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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2009, 04:37:55 PM »
ok, full on thread takeover :hahaha:
 ifs on the left, sa on the right. both on a 1" roll of tape.


ifs is 4 1/2"



sa is 3 1/4"

4 1/2 + 4 1/2 = 9
3 1/4 + 3 1/4 = 6 1/2

9 - 6 1/2 = 2 1/2

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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2009, 05:10:22 PM »
i see what youre saying. if you measure from the wheel mounting surface to the locking hub mounting surface it measures about 1.5" difference. i guess TECHNICALLY its 1.25".  i guess i stand corrected. not that big of a difference though
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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2009, 06:54:11 PM »
I ran my 1-1/2 spacers for a year with no problems.  I would feel totally comfortable driving on them every day.  BTW, loctite is a bad idea, especially when the spacers are new.  The spacer is just like an aluminum wheel, in that when they are new, the lug nuts take some time to seat in.  If you look at any aluminum wheel, the taper where the lug nuts seat is slightly smashed.  This is due to the weight and vibration of driving, which cause the nuts to become loose.  A wheel spacer is no different.  I check mine every once in awhile when I have the wheels off, and the only time they needed to be re-torqued was the first time I checked them after installing them (a few hundred miles later).  Bottom line though, you could probaby throw them on, drive on them, re check once and never worry about it again.

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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2009, 07:41:32 PM »
BTW, loctite is a bad idea, especially when the spacers are new.

Funny, I just had a guy ask me this earlier today. Marlin and I recommend using .... ANTI-SEIZE. It might sound counter intuitive at first, but it ensures a proper amount of torque on the nut, ie less frictional losses.

When I had wheel spacers front (2") and rear (1.5"), I ran them for 3+ years with anti-seize on every lug and never had a problem. I checked my torque a couple of times per year and everything was always great. Also, the anti-seize prevents the nuts from rusting to the studs and also protects the threads from over heating as well as cross threading. R&R tires on the trail is always much, much easier.

Bottom line though, you could probaby throw them on, drive on them, re check once and never worry about it again.

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Re: Are Wheel Spacers Safe for Highway Use?
« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2009, 07:55:09 PM »
I use blue locktight on my spacers.

I had 1.5" spacers all around when I had a 85 rear axle. Then stepped up to 2" spacers all around. Now I run a IFS rear axle and 2" spacers up front. I check the spacers every great once in a while. Haven't had a problem yet... Knock on wood!
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